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Title: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 23, May, 2010, 09:19:22 PM
Well I've ordered a Furore F1 kit and got a MR2 donor car.  Thanks to club member Phil Lane for spending time to share information on his Furore build.  The plan is to complete as much of the build as possible here in mid Wales then ship the car to the USA (anyone know a good shipping company) and have fun driving it in a California and Arizona.
I hadn't driven a MR2 before but after a bit of a blast around the lanes I can understand why there is an enthusiastic MR2 Mk1 club.  However the body on this one is extensively lightened by the ferrous oxide process and looks like it there have been several bodged attempts to repair it previously so I won't feel bad about breaking it up.
I should get the kit in July and will try to post updates as the build progresses.
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 23, May, 2010, 10:01:35 PM
Hey Great. Shame we won't get to see it here  :'(

But sure you'll send us plenty of pic's from the desert runs  :D

Good luck with the build.

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Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 25, May, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
Excellent, will turn a few heads I'm sure :)
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Richard on 25, May, 2010, 12:11:42 PM
Brilliant idea - not sure on shipping companies but will ask a friend who has moved some cars before.

Have a good deal of fun - not the Mk1 but a certain MR2 in work is running just over 600bhp, that would be a bit fierce in something with no weight.
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 25, May, 2010, 08:29:25 PM
Time to jack in the programming job and start up as a salesman  ;D
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 25, May, 2010, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: Phil on 25, May, 2010, 08:29:25 PM
Time to jack in the programming job and start up as a salesman  ;D

At least a commision Phil ;)
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 26, May, 2010, 06:42:53 AM
Quote from: Richard on 25, May, 2010, 12:11:42 PM
Brilliant idea - not sure on shipping companies but will ask a friend who has moved some cars before.

Have a good deal of fun - not the Mk1 but a certain MR2 in work is running just over 600bhp, that would be a bit fierce in something with no weight.
Any information on shipping would be appreciated, rolling chassis or crated?
I'm finding my way around Toyota engines, the 4AG seems to have a lot of potential.  I plan to ship the car without the engine and install a JDM or NAS engine there, there are 20 valve - 6 speed versions available but that may depend on budget.
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 02, June, 2010, 07:47:27 AM
After the application of lots of penetrating oil the donor has been persuaded to give up it's components.  Learned a lot about the MR2, like that the intake tract is 12' long!  A very nicely engineered car though.
Next job, overhaul the brake calipers and modify the uprights to work with double wishbones.  Does anyone have experience with caliper paints?

(http://[url=http://s3.postimage.org/9year.jpg%5Dhttp://s3.postimage.org/9year.jpg%5B/url%5D) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq9year)

(http://s3.postimage.org/9yj9J.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq9yj9J)

(http://s4.postimage.org/P7Lh9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVP7Lh9)

(http://s4.postimage.org/P7XKS.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVP7XKS)

(http://s2.postimage.org/w1BVJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Tsw1BVJ)
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 02, June, 2010, 08:45:29 AM
Not personally, but there was this thread on the Locost Forum resently.  :D

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=136981 (http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=136981)

Lots of useful banter on this site

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Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 02, June, 2010, 11:04:10 AM
Great progress there JT :)
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 07, June, 2010, 09:59:31 PM
Wow ! thats putting me to shame. I still need to remove the engine.

I have used Halfords caliper paints in the past. Seem ok, took a few coats to get a good colour though. Problem is I didn't keep the car long enough to get a lasting impression.
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Richard on 13, July, 2010, 10:13:05 AM
pm sent on car shipping to US.

hope it helps.
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 13, July, 2010, 08:12:18 PM
Thanks Rich
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 20, July, 2010, 09:22:20 PM
Some progress, calipers all rebuilt and painted, uprights modified, now just need a chassis to bolt them on.  Hope to pick up the kit next week, been delayed by updates to the body and chassis.  I think they are making a 'F' duct and blown diffuser! :-X
(http://s2.postimage.org/dZqPi.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsdZqPi)

(http://s2.postimage.org/dZyiJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsdZyiJ)
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: David H on 20, July, 2010, 10:05:34 PM
Tasty recon job. its a shame the discs will never look so nice again....
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 20, July, 2010, 10:09:00 PM
Looking very nice, hope you'll be putting wheels on that will show all the hard work  ;D

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Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 20, July, 2010, 10:33:32 PM
Wow! - now that's neat.

How did you get them that good ?  Mine have got some real heavy pitting on them. Where did you get all the rubber "bellows" bit;
s from ? I can't find any place that sells them.
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 21, July, 2010, 07:08:19 AM
Used just about every tool in my kit, wire brushes, scrapers, flap wheels, grinders, The rust is incredably tough.  Most effective seemed to be a flap disk on the angle grinder and course files of various radiuses.
The seal kits came from Bigg Red, have a problem with the dust boots on the rear main slider pins, the parts in the kit are wrong and despite numerous phone calls and e-mails with photos and dimensions they haven't been able to sort the problem.  In fairness they have offered to sort it if I send them the calipers.  The original ones are OK and I'm useing them at the moment, easy to change later.
This is what they looked like before I started:
(http://s1.postimage.org/zJU0S.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzJU0S)
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: YellaBelly on 21, July, 2010, 08:19:10 AM
Nice job there chap :D

Not sure if you already know, but have you tried electrolysis for resut removal?

It works great and basically cleans the item rather than stripping off too much material.

I used it for my calipers etc and found it a real painless exercise. It's never going to get the same smooth finish as when you uese brushes and files etc, but it sure is a whole lot easier ;)

JB
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 21, July, 2010, 12:54:55 PM
Never tried electrolysis, didn't think it would work on the hard black rust on the castings.  Did you use the battery charger method, how long did you have to let it operate?  Should be a lot better than covering the workshop with ferrous oxide dust!
Title: Re: Another Fuirore Build
Post by: YellaBelly on 22, July, 2010, 04:26:47 AM
Yep, used the charger and had the whole lot in the Boss's mop bucket for around 12-15hrs I guess. I can't remember the ratio of crystals to water but don't be tempted to make it stronger in the hope of speeding things up, it doesn't work (apparently ;) :) )

I'd certainly use the method again though, like you say, much beter than covering everything in red dust!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 29, July, 2010, 09:29:06 PM
Picked up most of the kit yesterday, the nose is being redesigned so that will come later.  Certainly doesn't look like a simple bolt together job, needs plenty of builder input, which I enjoy! ;D
Probaly be  a couple of weeks before it's on the road :D  Seriously though I have a couple of months before it needs to be in a crate on it's way to Arizona ???
(http://s3.postimage.org/gXUW0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqgXUW0)

(http://s1.postimage.org/aeqz0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxaeqz0)

(http://s2.postimage.org/F9JEA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsF9JEA)

(http://s2.postimage.org/F9W7i.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsF9W7i)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 29, July, 2010, 10:03:00 PM
I like the pic of the kit looking out of the garage at it's donor  :D

So are you aiming to have the car roadworthy before you go?

If not how easy is it over there to get a kit car registered?

8)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 30, July, 2010, 06:58:47 AM
I want to get most of the construction done here and have the car basically complete, then remove the engine and crate it.  I have limited resources over there I'm hopeing to be able to bolt in a US spec engine, get it painted and licensed in AZ.
It seems to be fairly easy to license a vehicle in Arizona, it does have to be inspected but all it needs is lights and a horn, I think they just want to see that it is roadworthy and not built from stolen parts!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 01, August, 2010, 02:02:49 PM
Hey nice ! looks good. :D

I see you have the air box, it wasn't available when I got my car. Does it look good fitted ?

Any idea why Russ is redesigning the nose ?, doesn't seem to be any problems that I can see.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 01, August, 2010, 09:58:22 PM
Hi Phil,
Haven't figured out the fit of any of the plastic bits yet but the airbox seems like a good moulding.
I think Russ wants the nose to look more like the one on the first car.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 12, August, 2010, 07:12:59 AM
On it's (tempory) wheels for suspension check:

(http://s1.postimage.org/vrjOJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxvrjOJ)

On the bumps:
(http://s4.postimage.org/F2TMJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVF2TMJ)

Full droop:
(http://s3.postimage.org/Tctq9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqTctq9)

Well that bit works! ;D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 12, August, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
The Boss checks out the rear seat:
(http://s3.postimage.org/Tjmr0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqTjmr0)
Hope she will be as happy when she finds out there will be a hot, noisy engine just behind her. :-X
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 12, August, 2010, 08:40:47 AM
Looks good.

Any chance of a pic from above, to show the inboard suspension?

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Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 12, August, 2010, 11:01:33 AM
Excellent progress!!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 12, August, 2010, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: bulldog bri on 12, August, 2010, 08:40:47 AM

Any chance of a pic from above, to show the inboard suspension?

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Here without the springs, one side on full extension the other full comporess.
(http://s3.postimage.org/UtTpi.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqUtTpi)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 12, August, 2010, 08:40:14 PM
Wow - talk about progress ! - you have almost caught up to me ! and I've been at it for a year and a half   :o

Does look very good though, gives me something to aim for  :D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 12, August, 2010, 09:40:45 PM
Looks like some side panels have been added as well now since the first pics  ;)

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Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 17, August, 2010, 09:02:29 PM
This was one perfectly good sheet of 1.2 mm aluminum before I attacked it with snips. ???
(http://s4.postimage.org/3hl0r.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV3hl0r)
Now I just have to rivet and bond it all to the chassis.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 17, August, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
On first glimse of the photo, I thought you were designing a new Fighter aircraft  :o

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Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 18, August, 2010, 06:41:09 AM
Well it does have a pointy nose and wings but hopefully it's going to stay firmly stuck to the ground. :)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 18, August, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
Looking good !

I was thinking of attaching the passenger / engine fire wall via rivnuts to allow access to the front of the engine (i.e. oil filter etc). What do you think ?

Would probably need some form of sealing strip bewteen the sheet and chassis to cut down on fumes etc.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 19, August, 2010, 08:06:30 PM
Good point, I think access to the front of the engine will be better than it was on the original but I'll test fit the engine before I rivet the rear panel and let you know.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 24, August, 2010, 06:06:42 PM
Hoipefully this is the only time it will be this way up!
(http://s4.postimage.org/rB3c9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVrB3c9)

(http://s3.postimage.org/GEscA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqGEscA)
Bottom looks a bit vulnerable, maybe a 10 mm plank like a 'real' F1 may not be a bad idea!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 25, August, 2010, 08:24:17 PM
And hopefully there won't be showers of sparks shooting out from underneath like in the good old days ! ;D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 02, September, 2010, 06:36:50 AM
Steering column and pedal box ready to install:

(http://s3.postimage.org/kexTJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqkexTJ)

(http://s2.postimage.org/JQl0J.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsJQl0J)

Getting a bit crowded down at the pointy end:

(http://s3.postimage.org/kfCeA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqkfCeA)

(http://s1.postimage.org/mqFS.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxmqFS)

Hope there is room in there for my size 12s ???
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 02, September, 2010, 07:23:03 AM
Engine instalation check:

(http://s1.postimage.org/ndyJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxndyJ)

(http://s1.postimage.org/ng2S.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxng2S)

(http://s1.postimage.org/niy0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxniy0)

This isn't the engine I'll be useing.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 02, September, 2010, 07:33:11 AM
Rear wing assembly.

(http://s1.postimage.org/nnxi.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxnnxi)

(http://s3.postimage.org/kixP9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqkixP9)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 02, September, 2010, 10:46:00 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 02, September, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
Come on Phil. Where's all your pic's? You should be at least rolling chassis as well!  ;D

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Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 03, September, 2010, 12:13:14 AM
Please don't laugh at my expression... oh and yes I did do Brooom Brooom noises...


(http://s4.postimage.org/3KDQJ.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV3KDQJ)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 03, September, 2010, 07:20:58 AM
Nice one Phil, think you'll  find a similar pic  in everyones build dairy photo's. I know I'm guilty of doing it  ;D

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Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 03, September, 2010, 07:41:24 AM
Having discovered how much work is involved in building this thing I'm impressed with what Phil has done in a limited space and with a young family and a full time job ;D
There are advantages to being old and having time on ones hands :)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 26, September, 2010, 08:07:17 AM

Been busy fitting body panels and sidepods, got the new nose, now much higher like current F1 but makes mounting the wings more of a challenge.  Currently way too flexy, OK for Red Bull but needs to be a bit more robust for the road :).

(http://s3.postimage.org/877fi.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gh1qqjr8/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/88j4A.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gifcuykk/)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 27, September, 2010, 11:38:41 PM
Looking great, shame we wont see the car at a meet, will we??
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 28, September, 2010, 06:40:40 AM
Sorry no, putting it in a crate next week to go to Arizona, we will follow a week later.
Looks like Phil's build is going well so you should get to see a Furore soon ;D.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 02, October, 2010, 07:57:56 PM
Roll Out
(http://s3.postimage.org/zf0zi.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1zjvsrybo/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/8OKA0.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hvnyshic/)
Still needs some work, like lights, wiring, wheels, paint ... and an engine ???

The obligatory sitin' an' grinin' picture ::)
(http://s2.postimage.org/8PTV9.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hwzxdjtw/)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 02, October, 2010, 10:04:35 PM
Wow, that really is progress, well done that man :)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 15, October, 2010, 01:39:45 AM
The car gets ready for it's trip to Arizona:
(http://s2.postimage.org/pkoBr.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1ff4wvsv8/)

A tight fit in the van:
(http://s3.postimage.org/sDHJi.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1m4ty0kxw/)

Ready to be crated:
(http://s3.postimage.org/sDUc0.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1m527pbes/)

The next time I see it will be in Long Beach CA
Fingers crossed. 8)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 15, October, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
I hope you and your car have a safe journey. Keep posting the pics, this has been a very interesting build story.

Unlikely you will be shipping the car back next summer?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 15, October, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Now that is going to look good cruising around California ! Hope mine turns out as nice.

Very tight fit in the van ! I had to rent the extra extra long wheel base to get mine in.

I'm fitting all the engine ancillaries and electrics at the moment. Just finished a small mount for the ECU.

Hope the journey goes well for you and the missus !
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 16, October, 2010, 01:08:14 AM
Thanks Phil and Phil for the good wishes, no plans to ship it back but if it goes well I may build another one next year, or somthing else. ???

Where are you mounting your ECU, I was thinking of the LH pod by the fuel tank to get some cooling, it's mounted outside the engine compartment on the MR2, not sure what it's temperature limit is.

Good luck with your build, hope to see it up and running when we get back next year. ;D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 17, October, 2010, 06:43:55 PM
I've mounted mine on the very rear of the car. Ok it might get a little close to the exhaust - but it should be ok with some heat sheiding.

Ok a little odd place to mount it, but the loom restricted me to that area, there is a large connector for all the sensors etc that forced me to mount it around there.

I'll have to open it up to see what's in there. I don't think they used much in the way of processors etc, so it should be much more resistant than modern cars.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 19, October, 2010, 03:39:46 PM
Yea you are right, heat buildup not a big issue, there are probaly just a couple of power circuits for the injectors, the ECU is not in a vented area on the MR2.  Dirt and moisture comtamination could be a problem though, the connectors and ECU itself don't have any form of sealing as it's original location is in a 'clean' area.  I don't know if anyone makes a suitable sealed box for mounting under the bonnet.  You may find somthing in the scrap yard, I think the older P38 Range Rovers had a sealed box next to the battery for the ECU, later LRs had boxs with cooling fans for the Bosch ECUs.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 19, October, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Thanks for the info, didn;t think there would be much in there. I night try Maplin's - they sell sealed metal boxes that should cope with moisture & heat transfer.

Forgot to ask - where did you get the large connector that I assume you are using to disconnect the lights ? I havn't found anything suitable.

Also - what grade wire did you use for the battery cable ? I'm used to working in amps, but all this automotive cable seems to be graded in awg and strands.

Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 21, October, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
The standard for wire sizes is Cross Sectional Area (CSA) in square mm although AWG is still used.  I'll send you a table that has CSA/AWG conversions and sizes and lengths for different Amps and Watts.  Even with the long run for the batt + cable on the Furore 25 mm CSA should be adequate, I got Russ to send me a 4 meters of cable when he was shipping the car kit parts, I think it's 35 mm CSA.

I haven't done anything with the wiring yet, I've saved the harnesses off the donor but not sure how much I will use.  Probally end up getting Weatherpac connectors for the different sections.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 21, November, 2010, 02:28:06 PM
After four weeks at sea and a week to clear US customs the car has made it to it's new home.  The new wheels look good, still got to find an engine and lights.
(http://s2.postimage.org/2nsofscx0/IMG_1390.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2nsofscx0/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/lonztcn8/IMG_1388.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lonztcn8/)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 21, November, 2010, 07:25:43 PM
Glad it survived the trip ok !

The wheels look even better than I thought. The red highlight really adds something.

I attached the first body panel today ! the left hand side of the car. Might take a little while for silicone to cure in this weather. Yes it's horrible and cold over here. I guess you are in shorts and T-Shirt ?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 21, November, 2010, 07:50:12 PM
Nice to see the car had a safe journey :) looking forward to some more pics
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 21, November, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
Fantastic news. Great pic's. Pleased it got there safely for you.  ;D

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Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 22, November, 2010, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: Phil on 21, November, 2010, 07:25:43 PM
I guess you are in shorts and T-Shirt ?
Actually the pics are at our daughters place in the high desert, about 6C and a howling gale, rain and snow on it's way.  Tried to outrun the storm on the way to Arizona, didn't make it, car got a thorough soaking but seemed to have come through OK.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 12, December, 2010, 03:12:41 AM
Found an engine at local scrapy, not many MR2s about the 4-AG was also fitted to the Corolla and Chevy Nova but haven't come across one of those.  The problem is that the cars round here don't rust;

(http://s2.postimage.org/z0g755no/IMG_0235.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z0g755no/)
1985 MR2 totaly rust free!

This engine has been overheated enough to melt the plug caps, only 1 good compression, maybe just a head gasket ??? but at least I can get the plumbing and wiring started.

(http://s1.postimage.org/2a6sg0i2s/IMG_1414.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2a6sg0i2s/)


(http://s1.postimage.org/2a6vr372c/IMG_1415.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2a6vr372c/)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 12, December, 2010, 10:57:33 AM
Its a shame thats all you could get your hands on, but at least you have an engine :)

Will you be rebuilding it yourself? What are the logistics of getting a good one shipped from the UK?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 12, December, 2010, 03:09:53 PM
Yea, the engine was cheap and local and keeps the project moving along.  I'll pull the head and see if it can be salvaged, I think it will be easier to get it registered with a standard US spec engine.
As far as I can tell the 4-AG was only in UK and US cars sold in the '80s so they are all getting a bit long in the tooth.  The Japenese Domestic Market (JDM) used the 20 valve version up until 2002.  There are several JDM engine suppliers in the US the, 20V 6 speed would be the hot setup.  I know MR2 enthusiasts have fitted them in the Mk1.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 12, December, 2010, 06:30:11 PM
That engine is Blue - odd.

There's quite a bit of info on wikipedia, but it does show that there were a few different versions of the engine.

Had a quick look on ebay, only a few available in the US !

Are there any engine tuners available ? in the UK we have Raw engineering. They import 4-AG engines and tune them up a bit. If I manage to get funds I may fit one after registration.

http://web.mac.com/rawuk/iWeb/Raw/Home.html (http://web.mac.com/rawuk/iWeb/Raw/Home.html)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 13, December, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
Not sure what has happened to this thing, it obviously has been worked on, has new belts, spark plugs, and waterpump.  Perhaps it was rebuilt but the cooling system wastn't bled properly and that is why it is cooked ::).

There are some nice pictures by '7builder' of a FWD to inline conversion of a 4AG in the gallery.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 19, February, 2011, 03:29:23 AM
Pulled the head, didn't look to bad, don't have much here in the way of tools but I cleaned up the gasket faces and lapped the valves.  Reassembled it with fingers crossed that the rings are OK.
Started it today, fired first piston up, no smoke, serious oil or coolant leaks and sounds OK. :o
Will try a drive when I get all the body bits back on. ;D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 19, February, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
Well done, that.s quite a milestone :)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 19, February, 2011, 02:03:34 PM
Excellent !

Did pick up a good tip for when you do the "first start" on an engine, allways get someone to video you doing it. If all goes well then you have a record for prosperity or if it goes badly then it's £250 selling it to You've been framed ! :D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 27, February, 2011, 03:27:51 PM
Just wanted to post some pics of the 4A-GE, these were supposed to be included in the previous post but I sc***ed it up.  Thanks Gaffer for sorting it (as if he didn't have enough to do!).
Haven't had anything to do with the Toyota engine before but seems like a nice little lump.  In remarkable condition considering what it has been through, as I mentioned it had been hot enough to melt the plug and distributor caps. :o
(http://s2.postimage.org/wb0kg3hg/IMG_1467.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wb0kg3hg/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/wbh3tkf8/IMG_1468.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wbh3tkf8/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/wc2lt2uc/IMG_1465.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wc2lt2uc/)
Fingers crossed for some pics of the car on the road when we get back to the River this week. 8)


Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 04, March, 2011, 12:30:47 AM
Engine instalation:

(http://s2.postimage.org/w659hb50/IMG_1471.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/w659hb50/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/w6a83cmc/IMG_1469.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/w6a83cmc/)

Almost everything hooked up.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 04, March, 2011, 02:53:50 AM
First drive;
(http://s1.postimage.org/bgmn8g4/IMG_1503.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bgmn8g4/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/d2igdqc/IMG_1497.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/d2igdqc/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/dxxnz44/IMG_1499.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dxxnz44/)
Apart from a leaking fitting on the clutch hydraulics all seems OK,
(http://s1.postimage.org/eg4ksjo/IMG_1491.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/eg4ksjo/)
Even the missus likes it ;D
Now all I have to do is fit the lights, get it registered and painted.




Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 04, March, 2011, 03:01:10 AM

(http://s2.postimage.org/vx8f7zc4/IMG_1483.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vx8f7zc4/)
That reminds me...I need to fit a horn -  Beep Beep
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 04, March, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
Excellent, fun in the sun :) Well done!!!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Daley Down Under on 04, March, 2011, 11:55:53 AM
Terrific job - well done
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Denzle on 04, March, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
....Can I go for a holiday and have a drive..?... 8)

It just invites you to sit in it.......Looks good.... how quick of the mark is she with
         a Toy 1600 lump.

                                               Denzle...   ;)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 05, March, 2011, 05:05:26 PM
Quote....Can I go for a holiday and have a drive..?...
We are only a couple of hours from Vegas, Virgin start direct flights from Manchester next month, pop on by. ;D
Quotehow quick of the mark is she with a Toy 1600 lump.
The original MR2 was quite lively and this thing is a lot lighter, seemed pretty lively when I gave it a quick squirt.;D  Wheels sticking out in the wind + wings and sidepods not condusive to a great top speed though.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 06, March, 2011, 12:04:29 PM
Driving it now ! wow!  :o

Have you decided on the colour scheme yet ? I guess that's all thats left to do.

I'm hopefully fitting the battery & cables this afternoon and starting work on the brake & clutch pipes.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 06, March, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
QuoteHave you decided on the colour scheme yet ? I guess that's all thats left to do.
Still got to sort out the lights, having to get them from the UK.  I can't find dipping projector lights over here or the combined stop/tail/turn LED pods >:(.
Not a huge Ferrari fan but they do make pretty cars so it will probably be red/white.
Now got to figure out the Arizona registration process, aparently they send someone round to inspect the car ;D.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 23, March, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
Legal at last!! ;D
Furore prepped for MVD inspection,

(http://s2.postimage.org/3jg95quc/IMG_1527.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3jg95quc/)


(http://s2.postimage.org/3jv4zvac/IMG_1530.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3jv4zvac/)


(http://s2.postimage.org/3kdbwopw/IMG_1532.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3kdbwopw/)
Legal but tempory lights fitted, strangely AZ requires a glass windscreen with wiper on a 4-wheel vehicle (bit of a lashup, 'fell off' when I got home :-X), not required on 3-wheeler or ATV ???

Registration procedure; get 'moving permit' from MVD,
(http://s2.postimage.org/3mj25zxg/IMG_1535.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3mj25zxg/)

Drive down to the local MVD for inspection,
(http://s2.postimage.org/3noelo9w/IMG_0272.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3noelo9w/)
Jim checks it out, engine and chassis numbers, stolen vehicle database, measure light heights, said license plate was too low but no big deal and car is approved ;D.
Go to office, pay money, get issued with license plate, Simples 8) 8) ;D ;D

(http://s2.postimage.org/489bd5ic/IMG_1536.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/489bd5ic/)
25 miles on the odometer, nothing fell off, everything worked, no smoke or steam, so far so good!
Now to fit the 'real' lights, get it painted, lots of work to do but a big step forward!!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 23, March, 2011, 10:59:50 PM
A big step indeed, well done for a great build story so far :)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 24, March, 2011, 08:30:09 PM
Love the windscreen ! ;D - what an odd rule. Does it drive well ?

All the little fiddly bits to do now to finish it off !

I'm currently fittinishing fitting the copper brake & clutch lines.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 31, March, 2011, 03:31:47 PM
Lights fitted;

(http://s1.postimage.org/22xee2490/IMG_1550.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/22xee2490/)


(http://s1.postimage.org/22y9t9pms/IMG_1554.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/22y9t9pms/)


(http://s1.postimage.org/22ybgt24k/IMG_1560.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/22ybgt24k/)


(http://s1.postimage.org/230ki52bo/IMG_1561.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/230ki52bo/)

The Acewell seems to work well for a  budget dash although the warning lights not so visible in daytime.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 31, March, 2011, 03:38:32 PM
Excellent pics, the car looks quite at home, not sure we have any scenic roads quite like that in Bristol.

Does the Acewell offer any warning trigger outs for say a buzzer?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Bulldog Bri on 31, March, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
Loving the pics to.  ;D

How about a vid of the car in action?

8)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 31, March, 2011, 06:26:58 PM
Quote from: 'The Gaffer' on 31, March, 2011, 03:38:32 PM
Does the Acewell offer any warning trigger outs for say a buzzer?
Haven't figured out all the functions of the Acewell yet, the instruction sheet is a bit confusing to say the least.  There is an upshift warning light but I don't think there are any outputs.
Quote from: bulldog bri on 31, March, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
How about a vid of the car in action?
Sad to say, I haven't had a vidio camera for years, the technology keeps changing and I haven't been keeping up :(.  Been following the thread on dash cams with interest, got to get myself something.  (I'd procrastinate but don't seem to be able to get around to it.) :-[
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 31, March, 2011, 08:06:21 PM
Nice lights !, did you get them from Russ ? I'm still not sure about the acewell. Think I'll save up and buy a set of normal gauges. Perhaps some techy style ones with blue lights or with 7 segment digital display.

Same steering wheel as mine ! hope it's not too small. I've been working on the front end again. installed the brake & clutch lines and the battery cable. I Didn't like the way they sort of dangled out of the tubes, so I've created some end caps.

Then I looked in the foot well... icky, especially compared to yours. So, I've removed the pedal box to make the brake & clutch pipes and the entire steering system to clean and paint.


(http://s1.postimage.org/25hn96zus/front.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/25hn96zus/)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 01, April, 2011, 03:06:30 PM
Quote from: Furore Phil on 31, March, 2011, 08:06:21 PM
Nice lights !, did you get them from Russ ? [/url]

The lights do come from Furore, not cheap but seem to be the smallest dipping lamp available.  E marked but not DOT/SAE so not strictly legal in the US.

Quote from: Furore Phil on 31, March, 2011, 08:06:21 PM
Same steering wheel as mine ! hope it's not too small. [/url]

Steering wheel is fine, thanks for the tip, can't see much of the dash through it, only just enough space to view the Acewell.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 03, April, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
Temps here hit 102 (38C) yesterday, learned a couple of things, the seats get bloody hot when the car sits in the sun, the overheat light on the Acewell works and I connected the fan backwards (50/50 chance of getting it right but probability is 80% against!) :-[
Other than that it drives great, the 4A-GE engine has a real snarl to it when the 'T-VIS' opens up (this is an old 'big port' engine with butterflies that close off half intake at low RPMs).
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 04, April, 2011, 12:00:39 AM
Can I see a fighter plane style drop down canopy with an aircon system mod on the way?? :)

Oh, and have you got the Rayban sunglasses holder on the dash yet?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 05, April, 2011, 01:56:58 AM
Quote
Quote from: 'The Gaffer' on 04, April, 2011, 12:00:39 AM
Can I see a fighter plane style drop down canopy with an aircon system mod on the way?? :)
A kit plane canopy for somthing like the Rutan EZ might fit but a forced air helmet and cool box may make more sense.  Anyway temps today have dropped to a more reasonable 28C, Summer temps get up to 50 here, thats when we head back to Wales!  I think people who stay here in the Summer put the hotrods away and drive the car with AC, kind of the opposite to the UK.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 03, May, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
It took longer and cost more than I expected (doesn't it always) but the Furore is back!  There where 21 parts that had to be prepped and painted, it came out looking good.
Discovered that red paint is the most expensive, over $60 a liter, white is 'only' $40.

(http://s2.postimage.org/ocei2g4k/IMG_1650.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ocei2g4k/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/od9xa1ic/IMG_1645.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/od9xa1ic/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/odx2swf8/IMG_1643.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/odx2swf8/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/oez45vs4/IMG_1641.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/oez45vs4/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/ofhb2p7o/IMG_1635.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ofhb2p7o/)

Now to see if I can get some driving time in before we head back later this month.  Wish I could bring it back with me!
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Daley Down Under on 04, May, 2011, 10:04:05 AM
Looking good
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 04, May, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
Nice pics, especially the last one.

Cant you strip the car again and smuggle it back in your luggage? ;D
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: YellaBelly on 04, May, 2011, 04:01:17 PM
Car is looking superb chap!  8)

Not jealous at all  :'(
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Furore Phil on 04, May, 2011, 11:28:34 PM
Looking fab ! have fun driving it while you can. Definitely spuring me on to finish mine.

Time to design a sticker set ? Oh and I love the numberplate ! - wish I could get that over here.

I'm still not sure on colour yet - possibly the Black / gold of the new Lotus Renault ?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 05, May, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
Yea, stickers are something to work on this summer, the paint should be nicely cured when we get back in October.  Don't think I will be starting another build this summer, I'm bringing back an overhaul kit for the 4AG so that will give me something to do.

Black/gold and BRG/yellow are classics, remember that black will show every blemish and ripple in the GRP especially on the flat panels.  Best would be to get a sponsor who will pay for the paint, the bright green GoDaddy cars really stand out.  Visibility is important, having driven a couple of hundred miles in mine I feel more vulnerable than on a bike.

Quote from: 'The Gaffer' on 04, May, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
Cant you strip the car again and smuggle it back in your luggage? ;D

Airlines are getting really fussy about baggage, a few years ago I carried a complete Sinclair C5 back to the states as hand baggage ???, don't think I would get away with that now :(.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 29, October, 2011, 11:36:03 PM
I guess it is always scary moment the first time someone else drives a car you built, in this case our daughter Cathy.  Needn't have worried, she loved it and had no problem driving it.  Said she didn't go very fast but I could hear it howling out in the desert, should have zeroed the Acewell so I could check speed and RPMs.

(http://s7.postimage.org/4q08ay95z/IMG_1755.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4q08ay95z/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/72ulhs00b/IMG_1750.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/72ulhs00b/)
Cathy and her Mom
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: paintman on 31, October, 2011, 12:22:11 AM
Love it.....bet u get stopped all the time and "interrogated" about it by the public.     Poser car or what..... ;)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 01, November, 2011, 03:36:25 AM
Quote from: paintman on 31, October, 2011, 12:22:11 AM
Love it.....bet u get stopped all the time and "interrogated" about it by the public.     Poser car or what..... ;)
Yea, had a sheriff deputy and Bullhead City cop make excuses to look at the car, the Bullhead guy is a F1 enthusiast and is going to bring his son round to look at it!  Most common question - "is it legal", dumbest question - "is the engine in the front" (there is barely room in the nose for my feet!)
The car is totally silly of course but lots of fun. ironically I have always liked 'Q' cars but have built something that is the complete opposite.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 09, February, 2013, 03:14:15 PM
Just got back from delivering Furore 008 to it's new owner in Northern California, 1400 mile RT.  Didn't really want to sell it till later in the year but the guy wanted it now.

(http://s7.postimage.org/4vmvgy7x3/IMG_0595.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4vmvgy7x3/)
Furore's new owner...Joe a retired submariner.

Now the garage looks awful empty so I need to get started on the next project, probably another Furore but with a bike engine this time.  Already have a sad looking MR2 for donor parts, now looking for a crashed Kawasaki ZX1400.

I have no experiance with modern bike engines so I'll probaly have lots of questions for all you BEC experts :).
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 09, February, 2013, 03:40:10 PM
That was quite a build story and that car has travelled a lot!!

If it were me I'd look at trying to source a Busa engine for your BEC.

Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: fullpint on 09, February, 2013, 09:01:22 PM
BEC's rule  :P :P
You are welcome to look over my Mk Indy blade. If you are local I dont mind if you have for a week or so, as long as the weather forecast is not for sunshine tho  :D
Mind you yours would be a rear engine mount I presume..

(http://s3.postimage.org/4wwhdqggf/DSCF7468.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4wwhdqggf/)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Quarrycars on 10, February, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
Thanks for the offer Fullpint, we head back to Mid-Wales from Arizona in April, in time for Stoneleigh!

Yea in the Furore the engine would be tranverse with a chain drive to an adapted Toyota diff but I would love a ride in a car with a bike engine hooked to a drive shaft.

I've been told that the advantage of the Quacker over the Busa is that it doesn't need a different sump when installed in a car.

Do most of the BECs use electric shift?
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: 'The Gaffer' on 10, February, 2013, 10:16:22 PM
Most are manual shift either 1 up 5 down on a stick or 2 paddles on steering wheel with change up / down respectively. My old bec however had clucthless electric up and downshift with auto blip - Great fun :)
Title: Re: Another Furore Build
Post by: Daley Down Under on 11, February, 2013, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Quarrycars on 10, February, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
Thanks for the offer Fullpint, we head back to Mid-Wales from Arizona in April, in time for Stoneleigh!

Yea in the Furore the engine would be tranverse with a chain drive to an adapted Toyota diff but I would love a ride in a car with a bike engine hooked to a drive shaft.

I've been told that the advantage of the Quacker over the Busa is that it doesn't need a different sump when installed in a car.

Do most of the BECs use electric shift?

That's true about ZX1400 engine and no need for dry sump. States is a good source for ZX1400 engine and US does a trick billet sump which improves ground clearance issues. You should try supercharger too

Adrian