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[bogwoppit racing]

hi i have just joined and thought i would introduce myself ,i live nr cirencester in glos and i am currently coming to the end of my first build that is a mclaren m6 gt replica by tornado and was wondering what sort of paperwork i will need for the iva test so i dont end up with a q plate ,i would really appreciate any words of wisdom. i have also recently bought my next project which is a kara rs 200 rep.  many thanks dean .

[PhilW]

hi i have just joined and thought i would introduce myself ,i live nr cirencester in glos and i am currently coming to the end of my first build that is a mclaren m6 gt replica by tornado and was wondering what sort of paperwork i will need for the iva test so i dont end up with a q plate ,i would really appreciate any words of wisdom. i have also recently bought my next project which is a kara rs 200 rep.  many thanks dean .

Hi and welcome, regarding a Q plate have a read of this
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=118956

[Richard]

Warm Welcome Dean !

Some recent articles on those RS200s, one instantly recognisable shape.

Although the one you are just finishing isn't exactly going to blend into the background in a carpark.
A couple of folks on here have recently done this but on re-tests of SVA not IVA, a few of us are getting close to IVA'ing but none done it yet. Certainly taking the original vehicles documentation and other supporting evidence is a must. I have had a chat with a manufacturer who has put a vehicle through IVA and it seemed to go fairly well on the documentation front to get an age related plate.

Enjoy the club and we look forwards to seeing you and your build successfully IVA'd in the near future.

['The Gaffer']

Hi there Dean and a warm welcome to the club, nice car you have. We also have a Tornado GT40 in the club.

I dont have personal experience of IVA and registration, but here's 261 pages of the IVA test manual.
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/repository/IVA-Inspection-Manual-for-M1-Passenger-Cars.pdf

I hope you have kept reciepts pictures and paperwork from day one of your build as this wiill help prove amongst other things that you have major components fitted from a doner car in order to obtain an age related plate, unless your parts were new of course.

Its all a bit of a minefield, lots of info on the web, but I'm sure someone will come along with some real life experiences.

Get to drive and enjoy your Mclaren before you lock yourself away for another project

Look forward to meeting you and your car.

Phil.

[gingerpaul]

Hiya!

That link just about covers it. I seem to remember two major things were required, in my case the steering and the brakes, to allow you to designate a particular car a donor. You then an age related plate of the same year as the donor.

This doesn't mean the emissions will be for this year. They are related to the age of the engine. If there is any doubt as to its age you will be tested to worst case scenario. Get your evidence for age ready before the IVA. In my case it meant I only had to do a smoke test rather than a proper emissions test. It could be the same for you, or perhaps might save you from having to fit cats. It also means that your MOT emissions will always be checked to those standards, ie smoke only for me. A big bonus as it doesn't even change if you change engine.

Q plates are assigned if you haven't used all new parts (plus one refurbished to as new condition) and haven't had enough parts off a donor to get an age related plate. The only advantage they have is that they mean smoke only MOTs. You still have to pass the IVA emissions as mentioned above. The DVLA assign a Q plate after you have had the IVA so the VOSA testers will not take it being a Q plate into account.

In my opinion it is well worth avoiding a Q plate just to avoid the stigma attached to it. It's also nice to be able to chuck on a private plate. Even if you don't think this anyone you sell your car to will and the price will get hammered accordingly.

So, make sure you have a V5 for a donor car. Make sure that you have enough parts off the donor car to qualify for an age related plate. Bear in mind that they aren't going to spend ages checking the parts when the VOSA inspector is going round it. The car will have already been through the IVA. You just need to make the paperwork stack up. For example, the VOSA inspector will probably just be looking for Ford logos on the brake discs, and that's if he's looking hard. Would he be able to distinguish between Escort, Sierra, Fiesta or Focus calipers? Unlikely. When he's looking at the steering how could he possibly say what was and was not on the donor car? It is very tricky. I played it totally by the book on mine and was fine but the scope for manipulation is huge. With this in mind you would have to be very unlucky to end up with a Q plate if you didn't want one.

[bogwoppit racing]

hi thankyou all for your advice. the kit was manufactured in 1991and never built,it uses a space frame chassis with front and rear manufactured wishbones,granada front uprights hubs discs and calipers on the rear they are manufactured uprights with granada hubs brakes and driveshafts.it uses a renault 25 v6 turbo transaxle and a ford 302 engine . the steering is out of a marina and a granada.  i dont have any reciepts for the gearbox but it was rebuilt at the cost of £1000 and the engine was rebuilt by american engines at the cost of £2500 in 1991 but i only have a quote from them and not the actual reciept.  since i started the build a year ago i have kept every reciept for the build of which there are many lol.so what route do you think i should take as for a doner and do i need  a log book?  .i just dont want to have put all this effort in to end up with a q plate i would rather not sva or register it if this is going to be the outcome ,i will just use it for track days but this would be such a wasts of a lovely rare car !.  so any advice is much appreciated many thanks in advance dean

[Bulldog Bri]

The M6 GTR was a great looking kit (and still is) So pleased you've got one. We used to have one in the last club I was in bright yellow, All I knew about it was it had the Rover V8 (heavily played with ) mated to a Renault gearbox. Sounded awsome on the motorway.



It was 20 years ago so doubt he still has it

[bogwoppit racing]

hi the m6 in the picture is a montage from the states,uva imported a few of them i think some were based on the good old beatle floorpan but i am not 100% sure i will try and put some pictures up of mine and the kara but i am not the best at these computermabobs !!

['The Gaffer']

You have a lot of parts from different cars so thats a bit hard from a doner V5 point of view I would have thought?

Maybe if the companies that supplied major parts, if they still exist, could forward you some backdated receipts?

I better stop there as I'm way out of my depth with Q plates and IVA's .

Personally I wouldent let a letter stop me from driving a nice car but thats just me and I can really see where you are coming from with a classic replica rather than an obvious kit.

You can add pics to you messages by following this guide. http://bristolkitcarclub.co.uk/smf2/index.php?topic=253.0

If you want to start a personal pic gallery, drop me a message and I will run you through it.

Hopefully someone else will come along and advise you on plates.

[David H]

Hiya!



In my opinion it is well worth avoiding a Q plate just to avoid the stigma attached to it. It's also nice to be able to chuck on a private plate. Even if you don't think this anyone you sell your car to will and the price will get hammered accordingly.


Not sure if i agree with this. My car is a Q plate and i bought it due to its build quality and finish. I couldn't give a monkeys about the plate. In fact a Q plate seems to be becoming more desirable on the second hand market due to emisions. Some people are seeing it as a bonus. I have a friend in the another club who is spending small fortunes on exhausts with and without cats etc etc to pass MOTs. This is not the case for all but it is for him. My car is worth no more or less with an age related plate or a Q on the second hand Westfield market. Whats more, when you see it you wouldn't be able to tell its 11 years old.... unless it had an age related plate to give it away. I wouldn't knock a penny of the price of my car if the buyer wanted a discount because it was on a Q. I'd send him packing.

If you want a bling personalised plate then fair enough.

Just my opinion.

[David H]

And by the way, welcome to the club. That is a very unique car and i have always liked it.

[bogwoppit racing]

the reason i wanted to avoid a q is ,i would really like to put a 1969 plate on it to give the build the right look.  i dont want it to look like a kit car and i am afraid a q plate screams kit car

[bogwoppit racing]

thankyou for the welcome you seem a friendly bunch.   many thanks dean

[David H]

the reason i wanted to avoid a q is ,i would really like to put a 1969 plate on it to give the build the right look.  i dont want it to look like a kit car and i am afraid a q plate screams kit car

Fair enough. I'm proud of the fact that mines a kit car becouse thats what it is. Its a kit car. Its what i wanted. I was responding to a particular comment that i didn't agree with. However, my car is different to yours. My car is not a replica, it is a Westfield (in a seven style but not a direct copy). Yours is a replica so an age plate showing 1969 would suit it well. I'm not arguing with that but it wouldn't matter to everyone and i certainly wouldn't let it stop me putting a beauty like that on the road.

[Bulldog Bri]

Congrats Dean, it is the UVA. can't remember if this one was on the Vdub floorpan but it wouldn't surprise me as a lot of kits did use them back then.

[dave_bence]

Hello and welcome Dean

[lightauto]

I have two kit cars, one with the 1982 reg, as it used all the mechanical parts from one donor and one with a Q plate as it used parts from a collection of donors.
I am proud of both of them and that they are kit cars I have built.

[lightauto]

Ps Welcome Dean.

[Richard]

Perhaps this will help ?

On an E plate, so get those details copied for reference, you never know it may help as a precedence has been set.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1271444.htm